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Top100
V8 Member
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 Posted - 01/11/2008 : 6:51:28 PM
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Originally posted by chongsw
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Originally posted by chongsw
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Originally posted by hector
it will be a tragic day if myself or anyone I know derives pleasure and happiness by sole reason of his vehicle being "eksclusif". if he/she is already in such a pathetic state of mind then it won't be so bad if
a) has the means to properly own & maintain BMW X6, S-Class, Jaguar - now that wld be really exclusive
b) has the means to buy a cheap car like Myvi, and spend more than twice its original purchase price on upgrades and modifications - now that is exclusive.
I buy Mazda6 because I love it, within my affordability and not because of exclusivity. Exclusivity is a bonus.
If we are looking for exclusivity, we can buy cars like Alfa, Citroen, Fiat or Subaru.
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otherwise, buying a car like Mazda, even tho may be good, but really not a wise choice in all practical ways of thinking.
Bermaz will screw this up FOR SURE. after the initial euphoria dies, the harsh realities of Berjaya Grp looking after a car brand will surface like dead fish.
- lack of service centers
- lack of spare parts.
- lack of quialified trained technical personnel
all leads to frustration and 2nd hand value (just slightly more then sum of all scrap metal) l will bring all the Mazdas down like a heavy sack of potatoes.
--all of u had been warned---
Yes, Mazda is a great car providing great value of money.
1. How do you justify it is not a wise choice? It is my money, not yours.
2. How do you know Bermaz will screw this for sure?
3. Mazda SC will even service Mazda cars from parallel importers. Can you find UMW Toyota doing the same?
4. Would you be giving the same judgement to Volkswagen? I believe VW does not have as many SC comparing to Mazda SC in Malaysia
5. How do you know Bermaz is short of spare parts? Have you bought any from them before?
Check your facts before posting your comments.
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Chips
Administrator
Malaysia
21992 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 7:20:22 PM
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Originally posted by williaml
We buy car that we afford to and we like to own, anything wrong?  Wise choice or not is not subject by you, and if you not sure about Bermaz operation, please don't post what you think.
Exactly. Those who have no liking for the Mazda6 can just remain silent. No one is asking them to buy it, right? But those who like it will buy it and live with the issues which I am sure they are aware of. |
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TrueFair
4-cylinder Member
Singapore
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 9:00:20 PM
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I would like to share my experience. One of the reason why I am not having my second Toyota is their service standard. Their customer service thought their Toyota is the best that they can not even accept my complaints as a Toyota Owner, and that was indeed very small complaint on window switch malfunction that they insisted it was caused by misuse. Besides, they pushed you to change this and that to the extend that you thought of being pressured and threatened... and that was by highly confident Borneo Motor Singapore with millions dollar renovated service center. They gave you a service checklist that never tally with your tax invoice... and according to customer service that it is NORMAL??!! I faced similar problem in my plant's Toyota Forklift serviced by UMW (singapore). I am not sure how is it in UMW M'sia.
Big is good? not neccessary. With M6, I felt so exclusive not because of the car but every time I visited their service centre. It was friendly and eager to hear feedback for improvement. When I bought my M6, my salesman did brief me on the support in Malaysia by Bermaz and its contacts when he deliver the car to me, it sounds so sincere. I am not sure if Bermaz did the same briefing on Mazda Singapore to its customers. On the other hand, Borneo (Toyota) did not even mentioned on UMW and ask me to bring back the car from Malaysia if repair needed as they has NOTHING TO DO with UMW M'sia.
Besides, Mazda in SG is already a very established brand. If you need some sporty and elegance accessories, there are few of Mazda exclusive private workshops at McPherson that serve mainly Mazda cars. The workshop owners are also Mazda fans who willing to share everything on Mazda with you. It is kind of sincere and friendly. You can even make it a shopping trip to Singapore that your wife shop for LV, Burberry, Loewe... and you shop for exclusive Mazda car entertainment and accessories.. haha..
It is normal for Mazda fans in Singapore to travel north to Malaysia as a convoy organized officially or unofficially. Sepang, Genting and Cherating are the popular venues. According to their feedback on Bermaz.. not bad. |
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iceman08
V6 Member
Malaysia
351 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 9:15:00 PM
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Originally posted by hector
mazda fanboys, dun be blinded by simply the glossy brochures, smooth talking salesmen, and other fan boys.
practically, nothing can come close to the level of support and sales/service/spare parts network of the big boys i.e. Honda & Toyota.
if u choose anythg else, basically its an unwise choice for the practical consumers (unless ur in the rich league, den it shld be the continentals).
FOR SURE Bermaz is definitely going to be a screw-up, BIG TIME.
Look at the supposedly established EON & Naza and u will realise hector is right.
in time... hector is right.
really funny why these ppls always tell Mazda buyers they are unwise..and they just conclude that Mazda is a bad car, no proper support etc without even test driven the car...I say it again, Honda is a good car but Mazda 6 SUITS me PERFECTLY and this is the car I love and enjoy owning it.Is this unwise? It will be unwise for me to buy a HOnda just because it has far better support and 'more' service centers..I m fully aware Honda and TOyota has far more service centers..and I dont have problem going to Mazda service center and get my car serviced far quicker, efficient and definitely more personalized..by the way you sound like Munich... |
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TrueFair
4-cylinder Member
Singapore
126 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 10:02:40 PM
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I understand that to Toyota, Honda and Nissan fans it is difficult for them to accept that out of no way the small and humble Mazda suddenly being awarded World Car of the year on its Mazda 2, while mazda 6 suddenly topped the all new Accord in many car expert reviews. But, this is the effort shown by Mazda.
I never intended to break the believes of Toyota or Honda legacy in Malaysia. I was once admired Mark X but settled with Mazda 6 later on. It will not be good if the car choice is so limited in Malaysia looking at its largest market size in Asean, it actually has smaller car model sellection than the tiny Singapore.
Now, we know that Mazda is a serious and ambitious car maker that produce cars that is good enough to be another wise selection. why don't we embrace its entry to MY. M6 owners needs to play its part by letting more people know the existence of very good M6, although we don't really like it to be too popular. Healthy sales figure is still important to keep Mazda alive in Malaysia, and also to keep automobile competition alive.
To non Mazda owner, it will not harm you if you stop all the cursing on such a good new comer. As after all, preseving competition will ensure preservation of customer's rights. Mazda is indeed a good car manufacturer in the eyes of the world nowadays, it will be strange if Malaysian decided to exclude the rights of choice...
It will be kind of proud to see MY has many different cars on the road than the limited range of Proton, Perodua, Toyota, Nissan and Honda. It shows the maturity of Malaysian consumers to keep competition alive and to open mind on new things... and more importantly they know how to preserve their rights as a consumer.
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ryder_78
V8 Member
Malaysia
1033 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2008 : 10:09:11 PM
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Guys,
Don't take some of these posts too seriously. These people who post negative comments on any particular car especially the upmarket ones in the Camry/Accord/Mazda6 category probably cannot afford to own these vehicles. People can post anything in the forums. They can say they own the Civic or the Accord or the Camry or the BMW but you wouldn't know if they are actually driving a Proton Saga in real life. Worst still, these kids might not even own a valid driving license yet. Just lighten up and ignore the comments. The responses will reflect upon the individual himself. There will be no end to the argument as more remarks will fuel more unnecessary debates. It is very unfortunate that some of these degrading responses are affecting the credibility of the forums but it's inevitable that this will happen in any public forum. The reason I don't participate in the "Comparison Between Models" thread is because there are fans for each and every car model no matter how much the car sucks, and things can get out of hand when someone becomes critical towards defamatory comments that are commonly seen here. |
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ViceCity
4-cylinder Member
Malaysia
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Posted - 01/11/2008 : 10:28:27 PM
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CBU cars always have some risk with spareparts. Somehow they dont cost as low as CKD. Honda, Toyota and Nissan perhaps, already been here for long and they have great network and experience opportunity to have better supply chain of spareparts hence could help in lower cost.
Long ago, CBU cars are very expensive. These makes them not so popular but somehow recently more CBU hit a price which made other CKD have to open eye big big.
Next, I hope those bring the CBU cars in bring in cheaper spareparts as well. These are the risk most CBU cars are facing and in earlier cases, we saw some CBU have to wait longer for spareparts. But these are common parts such as bumper door etc which is commond accident parts. But that does not mean other parts are cheap for CKD.
For example, my friend Honda City Vtec rear wheel are disk brakes. The SC confirmed bearing spoiled. Guess how much this CKD rear wheel bearing cost? Before discount RM400+ one side. After discount around RM390/pcs. 2 pcs cost my friend RM700+ to repair a rear bearing of a 3+years old honda city vtec. So is this low cost spareparts? The heck NO. Btw, front bearing only cost RM80/side. See?
So CBU cars will have more expensive spareparts but that does not mean CKD is cheaper. It depends. Another example are those glasses like windows and winscreen. If not Malaysian made, be prepared for the cost. hence instead of taking risk, insured the winscreen instead.
For those who really care about high sparepart cost, well there is nothing wrong to use it as a decision. But remember, we buy car not for us to go and bang on somebody. But these are all possible risk. So as Chips mention, buyer should know the risk and understand. And so we are. I'm sure as time past by, these CBU manufacturer and dealer will find ways to lower sparepart cost.
Chips, another interesting topic for you to write. Sparepart cost for CBU vs CKD cars. This will be very helpful to buyers. 
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hector
4-cylinder Member
Malaysia
129 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 08:57:38 AM
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Originally posted by Chips
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Originally posted by williaml
We buy car that we afford to and we like to own, anything wrong? Wise choice or not is not subject by you, and if you not sure about Bermaz operation, please don't post what you think.
Exactly. Those who have no liking for the Mazda6 can just remain silent. No one is asking them to buy it, right? But those who like it will buy it and live with the issues which I am sure they are aware of.
unker chips, and the rest.
hope u r not being an old hypocrite. evryone's entitled to their own opinion and has the right to express it here.
otherwise, dis forum will all remain silent.
besides, there is already a forum section for mazda fanboys, toyota fanboys, etc.
i know, if i speak the truth thr, and by ur own rules (since u maintain these forums), i kenot reveal the uncomfortable truths there since the fanboys will get offended and feel small.
but i hope u can censure or disiplin this rider78 (doesn't even know how to spell his own name properly) fella. it is resorting to personal attacks and not contributing to the topic.
anyways, i had never said mazda is a bad car; fact is, it is juz an impractical choice in malaysia due to simple reasons mentioned before.
what will happen when even the perfect mazda can get spoilt but have to wait ages for spare parts?
what will happen when the initial hot hot chicken shit of bermaz bcomes cold? when the staff start to leave??
...then, to those who never listen n think, will regret they never took hector's words to heart. |
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.
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ryder_78
V8 Member
Malaysia
1033 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 09:27:17 AM
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| Hector, you are an embarassment to yourself. There is a difference between passing an opinion and posting insulting remarks. Look at your own responses before spewing some nonsensical comments. Your immaturity and childish ways were reflected in the Nissan forums couple of months back when you posted a thread over there. You can hide behind your moniker and have your fun but I can imagine what a person you are in real life. |
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Chips
Administrator
Malaysia
21992 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 10:17:46 AM
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Originally posted by hector
hope u r not being an old hypocrite. evryone's entitled to their own opinion and has the right to express it here.
otherwise, dis forum will all remain silent.
You can express you opinion, your dislike, even hatred. But not to the extent that you also insult and condemn those who prefer something you do not. So people want to buy a Mazda or a Skoda... that's their choice. Why tell them they are idiots? You want to mention spare parts issues, etc, fine but telling them they made the wrong choice and are stupid is not on.
If you just say, "I think that car is crap and I wouldn't buy it because.... ", I think that's enough. You want to argue, argue about THE CAR, not about the person who likes it. I've seen a lot of cases where people call others retards just for choosing a model they don't like. Is that necessary at all? |
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syedhs
V6 Member
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Posted - 02/11/2008 : 11:11:25 AM
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Eh, this problem could be a combination of teenagers+internet.
Teenagers because they cant think properly, they think they are right and shoot down other people easily.
Internet is because they dont have to face the people in real life, so respect and emotional factor are zilch in this case.
But too bad, if it is uncontrolled it can be quite damaging.
Cheers.
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williaml
V12 Member
Malaysia
2314 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 11:42:39 AM
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anyways, i had never said mazda is a bad car; fact is, it is juz an impractical choice in malaysia due to simple reasons mentioned before.
what will happen when even the perfect mazda can get spoilt but have to wait ages for spare parts?
what will happen when the initial hot hot chicken shit of bermaz bcomes cold? when the staff start to leave??
...then, to those who never listen n think, will regret they never took hector's words to heart.
If you don't know the true, just keep you mouth shut! Spend your time on something else, and don't post any rubbish here. |
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queman
4-cylinder Member
Malaysia
122 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 6:02:29 PM
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thats right...
talk about the car... dont call people names man.
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... v hv been "systematically brainwashed" 2 believe that only certain car marks (brand T,H,M,B) r good cars, good resale value, good image etc.. v hv 2 stop this nonsense!! else it'll b carved in stone & we'll b doomed 4ever in Malaysia, where projection & perception is KING when ownin a car... ;p
DISCLAIMER: My thoughts & Opinions are my Rights. Your thoughts & opinions are yours. |
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Munich
V6 Member
Malaysia
393 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2008 : 11:21:20 PM
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| Aha, but i also notice them criticising someone here, using words like 'funny' 'amusing', just because that respected gentleman wrote something that seems to be siding Accord. Well, it seems to me that we have started making noise here in this thread to back some... Bermaz fans here? Better go now.. |
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hector
4-cylinder Member
Malaysia
129 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2008 : 11:29:14 PM
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Originally posted by Chips
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Originally posted by hector
hope u r not being an old hypocrite. evryone's entitled to their own opinion and has the right to express it here.
otherwise, dis forum will all remain silent.
You can express you opinion, your dislike, even hatred. But not to the extent that you also insult and condemn those who prefer something you do not. So people want to buy a Mazda or a Skoda... that's their choice. Why tell them they are idiots? You want to mention spare parts issues, etc, fine but telling them they made the wrong choice and are stupid is not on.
If you just say, "I think that car is crap and I wouldn't buy it because.... ", I think that's enough. You want to argue, argue about THE CAR, not about the person who likes it. I've seen a lot of cases where people call others retards just for choosing a model they don't like. Is that necessary at all?
unker chips, are u so old that u r going senile already? i've never insulted nor condemned ppl who already bought the cars they choose to be stoopid, no matter how wrongly their choice might be! i do acknowledge humans got many types, and some might be more stubborn or have different thinking...but I never insult anyone. show proof if got.
it's more like others are insulting me personally, but i always 4give them.
the thg is, the goodness of my heart and my desire to help ppl is so great that I try my best to help them not to choose somethg which they will definitely regret in the future. sometimes, being direct and writing simple is the best way to reach out to those people. otherwise, they will fail to understand.
so perhaps, it's the blunt truth that is hurting, but issn't that better than sugar coating with politic correctness?
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advanceautomobile
V8 Member
Malaysia
611 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 12:56:46 AM
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| Wah, before this, AFS7667, later Munich and now Hector, these forummers are sharing the same charateristic, "HONDA IS THE BEST". |
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mazda6mps
4-cylinder Member
Malaysia
63 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 02:23:25 AM
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Hi Munich & Hector,
were you both (assuming diff nick but same person, maybe?) previously terminated employment by Mazda/Bermaz/C&C for poor sales performance due snoozing on job?? 
and now no choice but to cari makan with Honda Melaka.....
from your post, you both seems to carry much hatred for Mazda..... and I mean 'specifically' targeting on Mazda.....hmmmm....I wonder 
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iceman08
V6 Member
Malaysia
351 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 10:37:08 AM
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Originally posted by hector
the thg is, the goodness of my heart and my desire to help ppl is so great that I try my best to help them not to choose somethg which they will definitely regret in the future. sometimes, being direct and writing simple is the best way to reach out to those people. otherwise, they will fail to understand.
so perhaps, it's the blunt truth that is hurting, but issn't that better than sugar coating with politic correctness?
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I think we are here to express our opinion and also giving feedback on cars but the way you put it here is making us like a fool for not heeding your advice....don't be naive. Mazda owners know all the pro and cons of buying the car..and i believe majority of us bought it because we have weight it carefully on the pros and cons..There are group of ppl buy H & T because of the support and as what some of you say 'practicality'. IMO Mazda fans demand more than a 'practical commuter'...they want some fun in the car, they love driving, taking corners, they love the sportiness and handling of the car...Get what I mean? So there is no right or wrong and don't always think we are UNWISE because we did not choose a car that have more spare parts, more service center...We know that!!We will regret to hell if ppl like us heed your advice..Don't get me wrong, I never say Honda or Toyota is bad, but its not the car for US. |
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williaml
V12 Member
Malaysia
2314 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 10:49:45 AM
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That's right! How often you need spare parts for your car? Don't tell me you have 'accident' every week and you need that; Don't tell me you need to service your car every week and you wish to have service center everywhere; (in fact, Mazda service interval is every 10k km, why T or H brand don't practise the same? Don't tell me the car can't last for 10k km interval.) Perhaps you need to think twice before you post. |
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iceman08
V6 Member
Malaysia
351 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2008 : 11:34:17 AM
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Originally posted by hector
anyways, i had never said mazda is a bad car; fact is, it is juz an impractical choice in malaysia due to simple reasons mentioned before.
what will happen when even the perfect mazda can get spoilt but have to wait ages for spare parts?
what will happen when the initial hot hot chicken shit of bermaz bcomes cold? when the staff start to leave??
...then, to those who never listen n think, will regret they never took hector's words to heart.
waiting parts for ages? I had a problem with my Bose tweeter in my Mazda 6..The service center in Glenmarie took 3 weeks for the very rare part to be replaced..my wife's City fog light with leaking water, waited for more than a month and still waiting!!!Kosmo Honda in Glenmarie. |
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